How does a new guy cope?

[Brenscrazy]

So, I'm new here. Date Registered: January 13, 2012, 06:12:14 PM

Out of the 6 days since I have signed up I have been banned for 4... and never received a warning for anything. I have read over the rules but with the wall of text that is the server rules I am not able to memorize them all to the T.

Things I was banned for:

12 hours to 3 days - Fear RP and disconnecting to avoid punishment. The admin clearly stated I was being banned for 12 hours, I acknowledged and then after stand in place for about a minute after, I disconnected. I was then banned for 3 days on top of the 12.

13 hours - Fail RP - stealing cars in public: (this is a excerpt from my ban appeal - which was denied): I don't think I should be unbanned as much as a reduction in time (or a warning...). I feel this is a bit excessive given that it was THE first car I have EVER stole, I was not aware that there was a proper place to steal cars. Also the fact that literally 7 seconds after entering the vehicle I bombarded with voice chat spam saying I couldn't do that, I stopped in place, and made an inquiry in OOC chat to verify that what I had done was wrong... and was immediately banned. I know I probably failed in not reading the entirety of the rules, but 13 hours? I have been on these servers for a few days, I am still learning.

24 hours - Fail RP - excessive raiding (twice in 1 hour) After raiding an admin I went to another location and attempted to lockpick the door, and failed (it must have been glitched). I asked in OOC if the location in question was able to be picked and then 3 fellows and I were moved away from the door by an admin and told that we were getting a day ban (by the same admin we just raided).

At this rate I think I will end up getting permanently banned for something equally as stupid, any suggestions? I really enjoy playing on these servers but this is ridiculous. I understand there are some who take advantage of warnings. But for those like me, it's incredibly unrealistic.

[Nicknero]

I understand how you think about the wall of text being the rules, but honestly most of them are common sense when you think about it.
If you are not sure if someone is against the rules or not, don't hesitate to ask it in OOC and someone would always answer.

Asking question in OOC mights sounds like a shame because you are new, but honestly, what does it matter? At least you get to know things better and eventually become a good Roleplayer without breaking the rules.

[Brenscrazy]

That's what I'm saying. If I am told I am doing something wrong, I stop and ask in OOC. The thing is that, as I do this, I get banned. I have not received one warning for anything since I have joined.
 
Fear RP = common sense. I deserved the 12 hour ban.

Stealing a car behind a building that is considered "public" and disconnecting after I was told I was being banned for 12 hours and the conversation was over = wtf?

Also for the most recent ban I hadn't even raided the second guy.... I was banned because "I intended" to raid him..

[Crap-Head]

That's what I'm saying. If I am told I am doing something wrong, I stop and ask in OOC. The thing is that, as I do this, I get banned. I have not received one warning for anything since I have joined.
 
Fear RP = common sense. I deserved the 12 hour ban.

Stealing a car behind a building that is considered "public" and disconnecting after I was told I was being banned for 12 hours and the conversation was over = wtf?

I understand you are upset about not getting a warning, but the first ban could been "major" if you know what i mean, and a warning was maybe not fit for what you did, and you got banned. You should have then taken that ban as a warning and maybe think twice or check up on something on the rules twice before doing whatever you plan to do. Most is described in the rules, and don't forget the rules definitions that is also available for a few of the most common rules.

[Brenscrazy]

When I get banned for fear RP, I review the rules pertaining to fear RP. Not excessive raiding.  I have read over ALL of the rules a couple times. It is very easy to misread/forget a couple lines out of a whole page. For the "excessive raiding" ban, I thought I had read that you could only raid a person once every hour. Not once an hour in general.

[Martinerrr]

Now I'm going to be a dick here.

At this rate I think I will end up getting permanently banned for something equally as stupid, any suggestions? I really enjoy playing on these servers but this is ridiculous. I understand there are some who take advantage of warnings. But for those like me, it's incredibly unrealistic.

"Remember: By joining our servers, you agree to follow all these rules to all their extent."
That is what the first sentence in the rules thread says.
If you are unable to know/follow these rules. I'm sorry but then you're not supposed to play.

Here's an example.
I am not going to get in a car, drive on the road, not follow the traffic rules. Then when I am given a ticket or anything tell them I don't know all the rules, no I instead accept the ticket. - The same counts for your third post.

[Brenscrazy]

Here's a metaphor:

You get hired at a new job scrubbing toilets. Your first job is in a house with a kid who apparently enjoys screaming at you. So you start to clean the toilet, making sure you do a quick and efficient job so you can go home to peace and quiet. In your haste you forget to wipe off the handle with a disinfectant wipe. Your boss tells you; "You're fired, you should have known all of the rules".

Moral of the story: People forget things.

Moral of the post: Don't be a dick, if I wanted to have conflict I would have posted a ban appeal.

[Marcus Nutticus]

All of the reasons seem to be misunderstood or blow out of proportion. IMO

[Martinerrr]

Here's a metaphor:

You get hired at a new job scrubbing toilets. Your first job is in a house with a kid who apparently enjoys screaming at you. So you start to clean the toilet, making sure you do a quick and efficient job so you can go home to peace and quiet. In your haste you forget to wipe off the handle with a disinfectant wipe. Your boss tells you; "You're fired, you should have known all of the rules".

Moral of the story: People forget things.

Moral of the post: Don't be a dick, if I wanted to have conflict I would have posted a ban appeal.

People forget things, so you forget to use the disinfectant stuff four times? How can you call this forgetting, you forget four times and don't learn it. You have had a lot of time to rethink, read the rules.
And also if you tell me to not make a conflict, you're not in the right section as it's called Discussion, and you also should rename the subject, because you ask.

You react offensive towards me. Yet it is your fault.

[Brenscrazy]

If each ban was for the same thing, your post would then make sense.

I have learned from every ban.
1. Don't break fear RP.
2. Don't EVER log out until an admin kicks you.
3. Don't steal cars in front of people.
4. Do NOT raid more than once an hour.

4 bans, 4 separate lessons to learn. How could I possibly learn lesson 4 from ban 2? Your logic makes no sense.

I'm pretty sure what we are having right now is a discussion, could be wrong though.

[D3AD_S1L3NT]

Then i must have forgotten something 2 or  3times... when i get banned i dont look why because it just upsets me. And i honestly dont know how many bans i have.

[Nicknero]

Don't be a dick Martinerrr.
I'm pretty sure you as well had troubles with the rules when you joined OCRP for the very first time.
I find that no surprise, as the rules list is simply HUGE. You can't expect a player to read trough them ones, and then remember every single on of them.
Only VERY smart people with a photographic mind should be able to do that.

As I was saying, the best way to learn the rules is either using common sense. (As most of them really are common sense.) Or ask question in OOC BEFORE you are planning to do something. (Not after when you are being confronted by the admin.)

But yes, I agree on why you should get warnings more often. I personally almost ALWAYS give warnings to people when I see them doing something wrong. No matter if they are new or not. Only when they break a rule multiple times, or the rule is SO MUCH common sense that it's just impossible to forget about it, then he'll usually get a ban straight away.


I hope this helps Superbeast. I hope you will enjoy our servers and catch up on the rules ones in a while. Just don't be a afraid to ask question in OOC. You are not a noob if you don't know things.

[Martinerrr]

Don't be a dick Martinerrr.
I'm pretty sure you as well had troubles with the rules when you joined OCRP for the very first time.
I find that no surprise, as the rules list is simply HUGE. You can't expect a player to read trough them ones, and then remember every single on of them.
Only VERY smart people with a photographic mind should be able to do that.

I have photographic memory, but I'm not smart.. 

But things such as, 'Disconnecting to avoid you being given punishment', is just something you can definitely expect. - Common Sense, if you don't have such and are new to roleplaying gamemodes, good luck here..

Also, if you're going to say the same thing as you explain, "I acknowledged and then after stand in place for about a minute after, I disconnected. I was then banned for 3 days on top of the 12.", I won't believe you. Sorry, but you wouldn't get such long ban if you wait and acknowledge towards the admin, banning one single person wouldn't take over a minute. I'm certain of that.

[Yimmy The Cat]

What i think is funny is how people get banned, they use the excuse of 1)not knowing the rules, or 2)say it was an accident. Really, the only reason i only broke rules was because of bad reactions to trolls. Example:


Player 1 is RDMed by player 2
Player 1 contacts and admin, but is ignored
Player 1 goes back to player 2 and hits him with the car
player 2 records it
Player 1 is banned, player 2 stays a troll and keeps getting people banned for dumb reasons.


Happened 6 times, only with other things

[alaskan thunderfuck]

If admins aren't warning you for minor things, you have every right to post a admin complaint and they'll likely get in a lot of trouble