Wrap Up - The Issue(s) With CGHL2RP

[SkeptiK]

I'd say the main issue at hand is communication within all of high command. No one is told anything and the only way you find out something is when you go specificly go searching for that information and most of the time you do not know what you are looking for. Now, regarding Toy as SeC. He simply needs to be removed, he is NEVER active and to hold a position such as that you're required to be active. With Raiden I believe he does a good job as SeC but as I've been told he doesn't feel as he is kept in the circle of people who make the shots and left out of decisions. This is because we have more then one person who makes the shots, it fucks the entire chain of command if we have more then one SeC. Because we cannot determine whom to follow in choice making, and usually they will conflict.

[Reimer]

-snip-

[LeoMarr]

cause everyone is like "if you dislike how its being ran then post an admin complaint" but then the admin complaints on RTLK magically vanish and the complaints thread on the server get ignored and shot down instantly

I also find it funny how all the complaints about Karma magically vanish. Could this perhaps be friend-politics on Rofl's part? Or is RTLK simply silencing all who hate him because that is what we now expect of a "leader" of his caliber.

Hi Wesker. Can you come here yourself? Your underlings aren't doing much of a job dismantling anything.
I can see wesker writing a book.

[Reimer]

-snip-

[Reimer]

-snip-

[The Doctor, RIP Juggernaut]

Alright before we break down to american politics(Slander wars) can we all just fucking grow up already?

[LeoMarr]

Circle the dates? The threads are still open. You can still post in them. But hey, I see where this is going. Wesker, Remember when you told us that we wouldn't see karma for a very long time?

Why is he able to send texts? If he's in Jail as you say? Mein gott wesker you're falling to pieces.

Riemer explain how I've compared wesker to National Socialism? I've compared him to dictators. You would know this if you had a clear conscious on the matter. It's a pity that my opponents are such plebeians.

It sounds like you are the nazi, leo, trying to spread bullshit in order to make everybody think that wesker's server is full of nazis and shitheads. Also, editing my post trying to conceal the truth is not going to help.  That brings us to the word of the day, kids. "PROPAGANDA"

Also, editing my post trying to conceal the truth is not going to help. Erm? Elaborate?
Oh right, You have zero. Shit you know, not sure how to respond to your attempts at villeinage.

Propaganda? I haven't seen that much hypocrisy in a while.

It sounds like you are the nazi, leo, trying to spread bullshit in order to make everybody think that wesker's server is full of nazis and shitheads.

Spread bullshit?   I haven't seen that much hypocrisy in a while.

Alright before we break down to american politics(Slander wars) can we all just fucking grow up already?

I see no personal attacks going on. Oh right more feeble attempts at villeinage.

Snipping your posts are we riemer? Giving up so soon? villeinage at it's finest.

Quoted for Truth bradda Post 1:

I also find it funny how all the complaints about Karma magically vanish. Could this perhaps be friend-politics on Rofl's part? Or is RTLK simply silencing all who hate him because that is what we now expect of a "leader" of his caliber.

Quoted for Truth bradda Post 2:

Why don't you circle the dates as well, leo?

Quoted for Truth bradda  Post 3:

Also, leo. I am not an "underling" of wesker. I play on his server because I know where CG is going and I do not want to be a part of it. I do not think anybody that shares the views of those have left CG are affiliated with national socialism either, any "reasoning" otherwise is pure bullshit trying to make everyone who left CG look bad. Is it such a "nazi" thing to want to leave a place that is quickly becoming a shithole for a variety of reasons and create a place where like-minded people can gather and RP whilst distancing ourself from whence we came? It sounds like you are the nazi, leo, trying to spread bullshit in order to make everybody think that wesker's server is full of nazis and shitheads. Also, editing my post trying to conceal the truth is not going to help.  That brings us to the word of the day, kids. "PROPAGANDA"

[Reimer]

I am finished with this argument. I am going to bed. Have fun typing furiously to find more ways to make me look bad while I sleep and dream of other matters.

[Scratchie]

You guys dont seem to realize the main fact:  We are looking for new CmD's, but NOONE is proving to be deserving of this.  Raiden and myself seem to speak of this at least once a week.

I'm not active IN GAME due to work obligations (I work graveyard which means I get to come on maybe an hour before I gotta go and sleep if I want to be at all useful) and when I am on I am usually taking care of some shit or bringing the new update.  This is why I am mostly OOC in the position as I am working behind the scenes (no, not coding) to bring the CCA to a new enlightnement you could say.  I rely on Raiden to do his shit in game and be the mostly IC SeC. 

I've been, and the DvL's can attest to this, working out kinks with systems that should be implemented soon to better our promotion periods and shit.  I am fucking tired of coming in one day to see a player as an 03, the next as an 02 then 3 days later an 01.  That, among other things, should not be happening and will be changing and already should have a few months ago when I bitched to high command about it at the time.

But yes, your constant complaining is falling on deaf ears.  I listen and am always referring to the issues to determine if something is a big enough issue that it needs attention or if it is just a small personal complaint as most seem to be.  RoflWaffle, even though this is his community, relies on the main three (Myself for HL2RP, Crap-Head for OCRP, and Tomasas for HRP) to keep this boat afloat.  And we do what we can.  I don't know how Tomasas' schedule is, but I know that Crap doesn't have much outside of school so he can do a lot.  Moral of this paragraph is you don't need to post a complaint thread over every small thing every week. 

Frankly it gets fucking annoying and does not help with getting shit done as it makes us ask the question: Why?  Why should we do this if all that we get are complaints and people bitching every time one small thing is done?  I know that I'm not the only one on either the dev or the administration team to ask those questions and think about just leaving.  It's not the fact that we don't enjoy it, its the fact that we keep these servers running, keep them updated and get new shit in, but not once do we ever get thanked just for doing that.  Yes, we get thanks for banning idiots, but we keep these servers online for you the community.  And constantly complaining and shit about every little thing (e.g. "Oh, RTLK's not active on his SeC and we don't see the shit he's doing behind the scenes other than code so he should be removed!", "Oh, I got removed from the CCA because I ignored an admin when I was setting a bad example!  Add me back or I quit!", "Oh, Nicknero called me a dick in ooc!  Rule 1! Demote!", "Oh, APEX is shit!")  Ask yourselves this:  Could you handle it?  The answer will most likely be no.  You may ask why we do it then.  It's because behind all the shit that you pile on us every day we enjoy the community and are able to do our part and still work through this shitpile that you place on us every minute of every day.

People need to realize that shit can't be done without the base to keep it on.  Like HL2RP administration for example as this is a theme in this thread.  To be a CG HL2RP administrator you need to: know HL2 canon, know how CG's canon alters from it, be able to rp well, show the ability to preform well under pressure, prove you know the rules, be level headed, show you will help players as needed, and more.  It's not just a popularity contest.  Take Rictal for example.  He's a good player, but I have yet to be able to assess a few portions that need to be done prior to admin being given.  This is partially because I am inactive, but I have not seen many reports of him in the admin section (and yes, we do talk about this for potential candidates.)  Now take Abbot.  He showed all the signs and was able to show himself to RoflWaffle to get past the final few and get into his operator position.

Oh, and in regards to activity, mostly mine and toys as examples.  Activity is implied as needed for higher ranking in the CCA.  But it is also a crapshoot as there are factors that can inhibit activity (such as a job and the intricacies of that) that are in fact allowed to be accounted for and lower the activity barrier.  This is how my activity does not cause a removal, seeing as my job is a big factor and I still attempt to get on as much as I can each day (though some days I am so tired I pass out for 17 hours after I get home.)  Then there are the situations where the lowered activity is generally alright as long as interest is still shown (home life and real life friends.)  Too much inactivity or not enough interest from this will get you removed.  Toy, who does have slight reason, does not have enough.  And for those of you who think he is still SeC, check the roster again.  He has been demoted to CmD, and as soon as someone is found that can be accepted and work as a CmD and shows the ability to do so Toy will be the first gone.  He is now only a placeholder so as to keep the ratio alive (and for those who don't know: The HC ratio should be 2 SeC, 3 CmD.  It allows for timezones and for there to be two roles for SeC: IC and OOC.  Three CmD's allow for one to theoretically be avaliable at almost any time, once we get them selected that is.)

[SkeptiK]

You guys dont seem to realize the main fact:  We are looking for new CmD's, but NOONE is proving to be deserving of this.  Raiden and myself seem to speak of this at least once a week.

I'm not active IN GAME due to work obligations (I work graveyard which means I get to come on maybe an hour before I gotta go and sleep if I want to be at all useful) and when I am on I am usually taking care of some shit or bringing the new update.  This is why I am mostly OOC in the position as I am working behind the scenes (no, not coding) to bring the CCA to a new enlightnement you could say.  I rely on Raiden to do his shit in game and be the mostly IC SeC. 

I've been, and the DvL's can attest to this, working out kinks with systems that should be implemented soon to better our promotion periods and shit.  I am fucking tired of coming in one day to see a player as an 03, the next as an 02 then 3 days later an 01.  That, among other things, should not be happening and will be changing and already should have a few months ago when I bitched to high command about it at the time.

But yes, your constant complaining is falling on deaf ears.  I listen and am always referring to the issues to determine if something is a big enough issue that it needs attention or if it is just a small personal complaint as most seem to be.  RoflWaffle, even though this is his community, relies on the main three (Myself for HL2RP, Crap-Head for OCRP, and Tomasas for HRP) to keep this boat afloat.  And we do what we can.  I don't know how Tomasas' schedule is, but I know that Crap doesn't have much outside of school so he can do a lot.  Moral of this paragraph is you don't need to post a complaint thread over every small thing every week. 

Frankly it gets fucking annoying and does not help with getting shit done as it makes us ask the question: Why?  Why should we do this if all that we get are complaints and people bitching every time one small thing is done?  I know that I'm not the only one on either the dev or the administration team to ask those questions and think about just leaving.  It's not the fact that we don't enjoy it, its the fact that we keep these servers running, keep them updated and get new shit in, but not once do we ever get thanked just for doing that.  Yes, we get thanks for banning idiots, but we keep these servers online for you the community.  And constantly complaining and shit about every little thing (e.g. "Oh, RTLK's not active on his SeC and we don't see the shit he's doing behind the scenes other than code so he should be removed!", "Oh, I got removed from the CCA because I ignored an admin when I was setting a bad example!  Add me back or I quit!", "Oh, Nicknero called me a dick in ooc!  Rule 1! Demote!", "Oh, APEX is shit!")  Ask yourselves this:  Could you handle it?  The answer will most likely be no.  You may ask why we do it then.  It's because behind all the shit that you pile on us every day we enjoy the community and are able to do our part and still work through this shitpile that you place on us every minute of every day.

People need to realize that shit can't be done without the base to keep it on.  Like HL2RP administration for example as this is a theme in this thread.  To be a CG HL2RP administrator you need to: know HL2 canon, know how CG's canon alters from it, be able to rp well, show the ability to preform well under pressure, prove you know the rules, be level headed, show you will help players as needed, and more.  It's not just a popularity contest.  Take Rictal for example.  He's a good player, but I have yet to be able to assess a few portions that need to be done prior to admin being given.  This is partially because I am inactive, but I have not seen many reports of him in the admin section (and yes, we do talk about this for potential candidates.)  Now take Abbot.  He showed all the signs and was able to show himself to RoflWaffle to get past the final few and get into his operator position.

Oh, and in regards to activity, mostly mine and toys as examples.  Activity is implied as needed for higher ranking in the CCA.  But it is also a crapshoot as there are factors that can inhibit activity (such as a job and the intricacies of that) that are in fact allowed to be accounted for and lower the activity barrier.  This is how my activity does not cause a removal, seeing as my job is a big factor and I still attempt to get on as much as I can each day (though some days I am so tired I pass out for 17 hours after I get home.)  Then there are the situations where the lowered activity is generally alright as long as interest is still shown (home life and real life friends.)  Too much inactivity or not enough interest from this will get you removed.  Toy, who does have slight reason, does not have enough.  And for those of you who think he is still SeC, check the roster again.  He has been demoted to CmD, and as soon as someone is found that can be accepted and work as a CmD and shows the ability to do so Toy will be the first gone.  He is now only a placeholder so as to keep the ratio alive (and for those who don't know: The HC ratio should be 2 SeC, 3 CmD.  It allows for timezones and for there to be two roles for SeC: IC and OOC.  Three CmD's allow for one to theoretically be avaliable at almost any time, once we get them selected that is.)

Holy shit wall of text, but in what you have said I believe people will wake up and smell the coffee. I believe most of the administration know what type of job you do for the community. You have a lot on your plate and your right not a lot of people would be able to deal with all that BS. I for one appreciate the attempts you make and I believe myself one for the few people who have had the chance to experience what's it's like to make the shots. Although not all your idea have been great, you have proven that you make a lot of good ideas and keep HL2RP updated as well as monitor the forums.

You have certain flaws but everyone do, I think it's just personality conflicts that stir up all this shit. CBFed writing any more.

[BltElite]

And karma wraps up the wrap up.

One thing of karma's;

I know that I'm not the only one on either the dev or the administration team to ask those questions and think about just leaving.  It's not the fact that we don't enjoy it, its the fact that we keep these servers running, keep them updated and get new shit in, but not once do we ever get thanked just for doing that.

You guys may think we have to do it, but we don't. We could literally do our job(Ban minges and help new people) and that would be it. You wouldn't get new shit except bug fixes. But when our dev's add stuff, I never see anybody say thank you, maybe 1 or 2, bt thats it. What reallys happens is;

+Update
+One or two say thanks or ask a good question which is answered.
-A few days later, 50 people complain about 1 little bug.
-Devs get pissed off.


Anyway;
Like karma's said, we don't have people ready for any high ranks. And like a lot of us have said; we don't need another SeC, it will overcomplicate everything. IF you guys DO have ideas for people to be CmD, then fucking PM an admin or karma, or raiden.
Just remember; raiden's a SeC too guys. Just because hes aus doesn't mean you leave him out. And i see it a lot. You involve skeptik(just an example here) but nearly all the time, except to moan, you leave raiden out. It pisses him off. It makes him angry, and sad. And then, that washes down to other people, and it pisses people off because you guys just moan, and don't actually suggest much, just go durr fix cca its shit. Or go lol demote matt hes shit. You don't give reasons why, you don't give ways to go about fixing it, you just moan.

It.Pisses.A.Lot.Of.Admins.Off.

[SkeptiK]

And karma wraps up the wrap up.

One thing of karma's;

I know that I'm not the only one on either the dev or the administration team to ask those questions and think about just leaving.  It's not the fact that we don't enjoy it, its the fact that we keep these servers running, keep them updated and get new shit in, but not once do we ever get thanked just for doing that.

You guys may think we have to do it, but we don't. We could literally do our job(Ban minges and help new people) and that would be it. You wouldn't get new shit except bug fixes. But when our dev's add stuff, I never see anybody say thank you, maybe 1 or 2, bt thats it. What reallys happens is;

+Update
+One or two say thanks or ask a good question which is answered.
-A few days later, 50 people complain about 1 little bug.
-Devs get pissed off.


Anyway;
Like karma's said, we don't have people ready for any high ranks. And like a lot of us have said; we don't need another SeC, it will overcomplicate everything. IF you guys DO have ideas for people to be CmD, then fucking PM an admin or karma, or raiden.
Just remember; raiden's a SeC too guys. Just because hes aus doesn't mean you leave him out. And i see it a lot. You involve skeptik(just an example here) but nearly all the time, except to moan, you leave raiden out. It pisses him off. It makes him angry, and sad. And then, that washes down to other people, and it pisses people off because you guys just moan, and don't actually suggest much, just go durr fix cca its shit. Or go lol demote matt hes shit. You don't give reasons why, you don't give ways to go about fixing it, you just moan.

It.Pisses.A.Lot.Of.Admins.Off.

Good words... 100% agree. I don't see many people at all thanking the Dev's for the extremely good work they do. If people just looked at RTLK differently treated him with some of the shit he deserves maybe he would act differently.

[BltElite]

I think one of the reasons people moan at rtlk more than anybody else was what he did awhile ago, but shit changes people.
Like some guy said;

Forgive your enemies, but never, ever, forget their name! - JFK

You can forgive karma, he is human, not a robot like most of you expect the admin team/dev team to be.

[Veran120]

While we may have disagreed in the past, I have to say that what you've written here is indeed truth.

I'm not active IN GAME due to work obligations (I work graveyard which means I get to come on maybe an hour before I gotta go and sleep if I want to be at all useful) and when I am on I am usually taking care of some shit or bringing the new update.  This is why I am mostly OOC in the position as I am working behind the scenes (no, not coding) to bring the CCA to a new enlightnement you could say.  I rely on Raiden to do his shit in game and be the mostly IC SeC.

Let's put it clear guys. As RTLK said, Real Life > HL2RP. Especially if it comes to job, from which you still have money to live. Imagine a situation where he says "Fuck it." to his boss and job, and drop it so he can be more active on HL2RP. Sure, he'll be more active, but for how long? Until they take his house and all things.

But yes, your constant complaining is falling on deaf ears.  I listen and am always referring to the issues to determine if something is a big enough issue that it needs attention or if it is just a small personal complaint as most seem to be.  RoflWaffle, even though this is his community, relies on the main three (Myself for HL2RP, Crap-Head for OCRP, and Tomasas for HRP) to keep this boat afloat.  And we do what we can.  I don't know how Tomasas' schedule is, but I know that Crap doesn't have much outside of school so he can do a lot.  Moral of this paragraph is you don't need to post a complaint thread over every small thing every week. 

Crap-Head is doing great job for OCRP, simply epic & great. Tomasas is doing damn great job for HRP, and you're doing a great job for HL2RP as well. Maybe not all of your decisions are as good as they could be but surely 95% of them are the good and helping ones.

Frankly it gets fucking annoying and does not help with getting shit done as it makes us ask the question: Why?  Why should we do this if all that we get are complaints and people bitching every time one small thing is done?  I know that I'm not the only one on either the dev or the administration team to ask those questions and think about just leaving.  It's not the fact that we don't enjoy it, its the fact that we keep these servers running, keep them updated and get new shit in, but not once do we ever get thanked just for doing that.  Yes, we get thanks for banning idiots, but we keep these servers online for you the community.  And constantly complaining and shit about every little thing (e.g. "Oh, RTLK's not active on his SeC and we don't see the shit he's doing behind the scenes other than code so he should be removed!", "Oh, I got removed from the CCA because I ignored an admin when I was setting a bad example!  Add me back or I quit!", "Oh, Nicknero called me a dick in ooc!  Rule 1! Demote!", "Oh, APEX is shit!")  Ask yourselves this:  Could you handle it?  The answer will most likely be no.  You may ask why we do it then.  It's because behind all the shit that you pile on us every day we enjoy the community and are able to do our part and still work through this shitpile that you place on us every minute of every day.

You guys should be damn GRATEFUL that he still codes for us. Lua is not easy job, and takes a lot of time to write correct and optimized code. Don't whine at him for not being active all the time. We have operators and normal administrators to take care of kicking/banning, handling whitelists and so on. SAs are for organising things. Surely, he is OOC SeC, but due to the fact he knows that he cannot be online so much, he gave the IC SeC position to Raiden. And HE'S the one to who you should bring complaints/suggestions. He's the SeC as well, no matter of what time zone. He can decide as well, and if he's not sure about something, he'll catch RTLK and discuss it with him. Easy enough?

People need to realize that shit can't be done without the base to keep it on.  Like HL2RP administration for example as this is a theme in this thread.  To be a CG HL2RP administrator you need to: know HL2 canon, know how CG's canon alters from it, be able to rp well, show the ability to preform well under pressure, prove you know the rules, be level headed, show you will help players as needed, and more.  It's not just a popularity contest.  Take Rictal for example.  He's a good player, but I have yet to be able to assess a few portions that need to be done prior to admin being given.  This is partially because I am inactive, but I have not seen many reports of him in the admin section (and yes, we do talk about this for potential candidates.)  Now take Abbot.  He showed all the signs and was able to show himself to RoflWaffle to get past the final few and get into his operator position.

I honestly had no problems with Abbott, I like him. He's a very good player.
But about what you've said: If you guys know that someone could be a good admin, PM it to Rofl, RTLK. They'll check it.

Oh, and in regards to activity, mostly mine and toys as examples.  Activity is implied as needed for higher ranking in the CCA.  But it is also a crapshoot as there are factors that can inhibit activity (such as a job and the intricacies of that) that are in fact allowed to be accounted for and lower the activity barrier.  This is how my activity does not cause a removal, seeing as my job is a big factor and I still attempt to get on as much as I can each day (though some days I am so tired I pass out for 17 hours after I get home.)

What I already said, people should be grateful that he still finds this much time to be on HL2RP and code stuff.

[smt]

-infact nvm i dont want to be attacked by leomarrs creepying fucking hitler quotes, obviously the admins will support eachother whatever the case-