Quote from: Krisrules on March 06, 2012, 09:52:24 AMQuote from: The Doctor? RIP juggernaut on March 06, 2012, 09:48:38 AMQuote from: Krisrules on March 06, 2012, 09:46:13 AMi was told communism = everyone is equaleveryone can't be equal, there is no orderwhich is why I believe communism failsNot really.There is to much elitism and corruption in humanity's heart to allow for communism to work so unless you change Humanity you cannot have a fully working Communist Economy. Why should a barrister and a convicted criminal be equal?Why should a student who's studied for 6 years and gotten x amount of qualifications, be equal with a junkie who's been mugging for his wages his whole lifeWhy do people like you resort to exaggeration? A far more intelligent question to ask before we should answer your question.
Quote from: The Doctor? RIP juggernaut on March 06, 2012, 09:48:38 AMQuote from: Krisrules on March 06, 2012, 09:46:13 AMi was told communism = everyone is equaleveryone can't be equal, there is no orderwhich is why I believe communism failsNot really.There is to much elitism and corruption in humanity's heart to allow for communism to work so unless you change Humanity you cannot have a fully working Communist Economy. Why should a barrister and a convicted criminal be equal?Why should a student who's studied for 6 years and gotten x amount of qualifications, be equal with a junkie who's been mugging for his wages his whole life
Quote from: Krisrules on March 06, 2012, 09:46:13 AMi was told communism = everyone is equaleveryone can't be equal, there is no orderwhich is why I believe communism failsNot really.There is to much elitism and corruption in humanity's heart to allow for communism to work so unless you change Humanity you cannot have a fully working Communist Economy.
i was told communism = everyone is equaleveryone can't be equal, there is no orderwhich is why I believe communism fails
Quote from: Journeyman H. [UK] on March 06, 2012, 09:57:54 AMQuote from: Krisrules on March 06, 2012, 09:52:24 AMQuote from: The Doctor? RIP juggernaut on March 06, 2012, 09:48:38 AMQuote from: Krisrules on March 06, 2012, 09:46:13 AMi was told communism = everyone is equaleveryone can't be equal, there is no orderwhich is why I believe communism failsNot really.There is to much elitism and corruption in humanity's heart to allow for communism to work so unless you change Humanity you cannot have a fully working Communist Economy. Why should a barrister and a convicted criminal be equal?Why should a student who's studied for 6 years and gotten x amount of qualifications, be equal with a junkie who's been mugging for his wages his whole lifeWhy do people like you resort to exaggeration? A far more intelligent question to ask before we should answer your question.Whats wrong with exaggeration? By exaggerating I make my point more clearer, making it easier to get feedback, and try to understand others points. Which Juggernaut has done.
Placing 2 extremes does not make your point clearer. It just makes you look like that you are desperate to prove that communism fails.
What you forgot though, there is equal opportunities
Quote from: Journeyman H. [UK] on March 06, 2012, 10:24:33 AMPlacing 2 extremes does not make your point clearer. It just makes you look like that you are desperate to prove that communism fails.I disagreeQuote from: Journeyman H. [UK] on March 06, 2012, 10:24:33 AMWhat you forgot though, there is equal opportunitiesI agree that if people came together as a whole and helped each other etc it would be better, but I don't agree that it should be forced.Something like forced peace would never work, but if everyone saw sense and came together it would
I'm not trying to say communism is wrong; i'm trying to say that I think it won't work, because forcing peace on people will naturally cause some to rebel
This thread just headed to debateville
Quote from: Soap- KARL MARX IS MY HERO on March 06, 2012, 10:15:17 PMThis thread just headed to debatevilleYes, but it seems as though it was intentionally made for such purpose.
The argument that communism is unreasonable because it acts upon cooperation and the good will of people wreaks of naïvete.
Quote from: Nikolai on March 06, 2012, 03:10:55 PMThe argument that communism is unreasonable because it acts upon cooperation and the good will of people wreaks of naïvete.I thought it was forced? Im not trying to be stuck up but thats what I was taught, forcing people to be peaceful.For the millionth time I agree that if we could be peaceful 'n shit, then it would work.But forcing someone to do something normally results in the opposite.
Quote from: Krisrules on March 07, 2012, 07:43:52 PMQuote from: Nikolai on March 06, 2012, 03:10:55 PMThe argument that communism is unreasonable because it acts upon cooperation and the good will of people wreaks of naïvete.I thought it was forced? Im not trying to be stuck up but thats what I was taught, forcing people to be peaceful.For the millionth time I agree that if we could be peaceful 'n shit, then it would work.But forcing someone to do something normally results in the opposite.No of course it's not forced. Who would force it? There is no government. There's definitely a push to work, just as there is in capitalism. Just like in capitalism where if you don't work you don't get paid, in communism if you don't work you don't get the benefits of society. A good way of explaining that is with my previous Native American comparison. In a Native American tribe, if you didn't help with hunting or gathering, you didn't eat. Simple as that. Communism isn't meant to work on a large scale as comparable to a nation. I would honestly say you can still have it pretty large though. And even though nations wouldn't exist, there would still be regional boundaries. As in, these cities are of the Muslim faith, so they are banded together. Therefore, in their established area, a Christian settlement is unlikely. You can have large cities work with communism, it's just that the direct democratic process is difficult, and you would probably end up with having some sort of seniority rule, where the elders speak first and have more allotted time. Getting work done would take a long time.
Quote from: Krisrules on March 07, 2012, 07:43:52 PMQuote from: Nikolai on March 06, 2012, 03:10:55 PMThe argument that communism is unreasonable because it acts upon cooperation and the good will of people wreaks of naïvete.I thought it was forced? Im not trying to be stuck up but thats what I was taught, forcing people to be peaceful.For the millionth time I agree that if we could be peaceful 'n shit, then it would work.But forcing someone to do something normally results in the opposite.To be honest, capitalism is forced on you, but why don't you complain? You can't, because the school educates you to take advantage of someone else. Or much rather, do business with other people, as they will put it lightly.