Unless democracy is considered capitalism then no capitalism isn't being forced upon me, even if it was in democracy at least there is some extent to actually vote for a party you think will bring good
Quote from: Krisrules on March 07, 2012, 08:54:47 PMUnless democracy is considered capitalism then no capitalism isn't being forced upon me, even if it was in democracy at least there is some extent to actually vote for a party you think will bring goodWhat "Democracy"?Did you vote for any wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, or Libya? Because I sure didn't want us to go to war.Did you get a chance to vote about any new bills? I.e. SOPA.Did you get to have your say in what should be done to improve your country? I didn't.I see no more democracy in our system than socialist countries.What you're forgetting about the idea of capitalism, is that, money is the only form of democracy.So pretty much, privatising everything, allowing big corporations to (unfairly) compete with small businesses.Example: 1. You own a family business, and a big supermarket came along and built their store next to you, they cut their prices way below the amount you can sell.Would you consider that fair?2. You are poor, you cannot afford medical care. You catch a disease. The hospital demands that you pay them to be healthier.Would you consider that fair?Under the rule of Vladimer Lenin;Everyone's lifespan increased a lot. There were a lot less people with diseases.Unemployment was very low, especially compared to America.It was a crime for corporations to take advantage of poor people (i.e. purposely making them paid minimum wage)Everyone's standard of living was increased.This was even after WWI, where a lot of countries went into debt as well.I think that communism has done a lot more than what capitalism has ever done. The key to capitalism is taking advantage of something and then making a profit from it.With the current system that we are in, is that, you vote for the leader of the country. That's it. I have never got a chance to vote for anything else, just the candidate.This then gives you the illusion of democracy. You think that you voted for a leader therefore it makes the country democratic.
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLCommunist countries have the poorest population IN THE WORLD. The government suppresses their rights, especially to freedom of speech. And the people have no say whatsoever about what the government does. You are incredibly stupid.
wut? Russian's GNP rose drastically after communism was dismantled, not to mention how much better off the Russian people were. Look a China, their communist, would you like to live in China? Fat chance.
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Quote from: [={.B.R.P.A.}=] Renegade Awsome on March 09, 2012, 12:43:14 PMLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLCommunist countries have the poorest population IN THE WORLD. The government suppresses their rights, especially to freedom of speech. And the people have no say whatsoever about what the government does. You are incredibly stupid.Under Lenin's rule, Russia had a far better economy than America did. It had mass production and allowed a lot of jobs for the Russian people. Lenin was the only closest thing to communism, however it was still socialist.Also please note that country being poor is irrelevant compared to purchasing power.Stalin and Mao took the lands from people, they too were socialists, and they abused their power, especially Stalin. Putin also suppresses the people too. So in all honesty, they are not really socialists in the first place. The only thing that was socialist was that the people were meant to get free health care, more purchasing power from labour workers, and more jobs, but obviously people call anything communist these days.
Quote from: Journeyman H. [UK] on March 09, 2012, 03:35:43 PMQuote from: [={.B.R.P.A.}=] Renegade Awsome on March 09, 2012, 12:43:14 PMLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLCommunist countries have the poorest population IN THE WORLD. The government suppresses their rights, especially to freedom of speech. And the people have no say whatsoever about what the government does. You are incredibly stupid.Under Lenin's rule, Russia had a far better economy than America did. It had mass production and allowed a lot of jobs for the Russian people. Lenin was the only closest thing to communism, however it was still socialist.Also please note that country being poor is irrelevant compared to purchasing power.Stalin and Mao took the lands from people, they too were socialists, and they abused their power, especially Stalin. Putin also suppresses the people too. So in all honesty, they are not really socialists in the first place. The only thing that was socialist was that the people were meant to get free health care, more purchasing power from labour workers, and more jobs, but obviously people call anything communist these days.In the first few years when lenin in power it was better in a way, but the people exploited the system and became lazy, lacking of products and the trade. With capitalism you have more economic freedom, you trade your labor for money, even though yes back in the day it was worse, but it was more of corporatism state than capitalist. However with capitalism with some regulations it's easier for money to flow. In soviet Russia which they were to promote communism (which was socialism of course) did not give economic freedom and society was bound to collapse. That's why china was so worried that if they had not give economic freedom the socialist government of China would collapse not so far as the soviet union did. Also journeymen most governments of the west are democratic-republic, where law protects the people while the congress and the federal government does certain things and blah blah... so democracy somewhat exists.
Under Lenin's rule, Russia had a far better economy than America did. It had mass production and allowed a lot of jobs for the Russian people. Lenin was the only closest thing to communism, however it was still socialist.
Neither China or Russia collapsed, they're still socialists today, they did not attempt to promote communism, for if that they did, the people would take the power away from the leaders.
Socialism / Communism was designed to allow people to have power, rather than rich people being allowed to have power. However, the only problem with this system is that it can easily be exploited through abusive leaders.
QuoteUnder Lenin's rule, Russia had a far better economy than America did. It had mass production and allowed a lot of jobs for the Russian people. Lenin was the only closest thing to communism, however it was still socialist.bro, russia lost in the cold war because their economy couldn't keep up with the USA and keep on producing military equipment, as well as taking care of the economic needs of their country.QuoteNeither China or Russia collapsed, they're still socialists today, they did not attempt to promote communism, for if that they did, the people would take the power away from the leaders.Russia is democratic today actually. You call it socialism but there's still aspects of capitalism in every democratic society eg the fact pay-grades all vary while some people can make vast fortunes and others do not; so calling it socialism isn't correct.QuoteSocialism / Communism was designed to allow people to have power, rather than rich people being allowed to have power. However, the only problem with this system is that it can easily be exploited through abusive leaders. It proved that everyone can have the same standard of living except for the government who becomes corrupt. That doesn't necessarily mean that everyone had good quality things.One of the debates in the Cold War between USA and Soviet Russia was the fact that the USA would brag about their lavish kitchens and highly advanced washers in comparison to Russia, who used the argument that at least every single person in their state at least owned a washer.I'm not going to read through an extra four pages of this nonsense because hardly any of you seem to fully understand what you're talking about. Every government spectrum is flawed, you can argue it one way or another, that doesn't mean communism/socialism is evil nor does it mean it's the ideal structure for every government in today's society.
Under Lenin's rule, Russia had a far better economy than America did. It had mass production and allowed a lot of jobs for the Russian people. Lenin was the only closest thing to communism, however it was still socialist.Also please note that country being poor is irrelevant compared to purchasing power.